Okay, so I’ll introduce myself first I’m technical director of dabapps, I suppose in America that might be CTO. We’re a kind of web or mobile agency.

So we build bespoke web apps, mobile apps, usually with API backends of some sort. And we use Django for all of our server side code .

We’re based in Brighton, which is on the south coast of England. And we’ve got an office in Wales as well, about 30 people 1718 devs, mixture of back end and front end full stack. And we’ve probably built over the years, I was trying to add it up. It’s definitely over 50. And it might be kind of closer to 100, Django projects, anything from like small code bases, you know, a few 1000 lines of code up to our biggest projects are sort of 7080 100,000 lines of Python. So we have some some really big projects. Oh, well, relatively speaking.

I realized I didn’t, I didn’t really answer your question, which was how I how I came to Django. No, good. So well, I’ll loop back around to that one. So I think I’ve found I’ve tried to remember where I first used Python, I definitely came out. I did a computer science degree in Manchester. And I definitely came out of that with an awareness of Python. I can’t remember whether I used it as part of a course or whether I just sort of found it in my you know, in my free time. I then moved down to Brighton to do a master’s and I use Python quite a lot.

They’re doing kind of scientific computing type of stuff. When I finished a master’s, I went and got a job as a web developer, but doing PHP. But I used to get so Brian has this really amazing sort of tech scene with lots of meetups. And there was one which I used to go to a lot which believe it or not, was called Flash Brighton, right? Remember flash? Yeah. Well, so I didn’t really do very much flash, but I kind of went there because when they didn’t have flash topics to talk about, they got all sorts of other people and all sorts of other technologies. And one of the speakers there was Simon Willison , who of course, is one of the original co creators of Django, who at the time lived in Brighton.

So he was giving a talk about Django, this would have been, I think, I think it was early 2009. So it would have been just after Onedotzero came out and kind of just before 1.1 came out. So I went and saw this talk, obviously I was doing a lot of web dev at the time.

I really liked Python and this was like, wow, now I can build websites in Python. This is the best thing I’ve ever seen . So I went away and kind of dabbled with it. Funnily enough, the very first bit of Django that I use was inspect dB, which I imagine basically nobody uses. Because what I did was, we had this kind of internal tool that was some sort of inventory management system, which was like a PHP app that talked to a MySQL database. And I kind of went, Oh, watch this, you know, and went and pointed inspect dB at the database, generated all the models wide up to the admin. And within about five minutes, I just had this like working admin system for this for this app.

And of course, everyone was very impressed . And they all went, Wow, well done. Let’s get back to writing PHP. So, so yeah, I did that for a while, played with Django in my spare time, you know, got a book about it learned as much as I could. And then eventually, myself and a couple of colleagues from from my first job decided that we were kind of going to go off and do our own thing. Set up DevOps. From day one, it was it was all about Django.

Our first project was, it was for a company who were a supplier of Tesco, which I’m sure everyone’s heard of. And so our very first project was kind of quite high profile, very briefly featured on like the front page of the BBC News. And it didn’t fall over.

other supermarkets are available? Of course. Yeah. So it was briefly quite high profile. And, you know, it worked really well and was really successful project. So we kind of we got that we made a few more projects. And then at some point, I’m trying to remember when it must have been probably 2011.

Maybe I met Tom , a Python meetup in a pub. And at the time, I remember him saying, so I’m, I’m working on this this thing. It’s kind of it’s like a framework for building rest API’s in Django is like a Django rest framework, but I’m really struggling to think of what to call it. So I said, Well, you know, what about Django rest framework ? And that’s a good I bet, I bet that I do well, with like, SEO, you know, that’d be nice and easily Google.

So, you know, step forward a few months, eventually, we ended up hiring Tom, he was our first employee, after the three founders. And pick up. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, now that it was really good, he was really kind of crucial in shaping a lot of the early tech decisions at DevOps. Sure.

And he kind of, he was working on client projects for us. But at the same time, he was also working on rest framework. And he, if you remember, when, quite a while ago, he did a Kickstarter to fund some rest framework development. And he did that work while he was working for us. And so we used to kind of sit opposite each other and bounce ideas around. And I think I’m kind of I don’t, I haven’t contributed a huge amount to rest framework, but I think I’m responsible for, like serializer Method field, the original version of that was me and like, you know, things like that. So so so that was fun. So that was kind of back in the day. And then, yeah, we sort of transitioned over to because originally, we did, I guess you might call it a classic Django app where you do the templates on the back end, you know, renders HTML on the back end. That was, you know, for the first few years, that’s what we did. And then we moved over to this sort of API driven, react app type approach, obviously, using using REST framework. And that’s, that’s what we’ve been doing ever since really, although I’ve kind of recently got quite interested in the whole on Poly HTML,